Hanging With Harley – Italy & Everything Else (12/08/2016)

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  1. really like hearing Harley once a week with information I can’t find elsewhere..
    thank you both
    It is my understanding that the African continent is very resource rich..
    Very..
    I wonder how many Chinese are working there, do they mix..the Chinese and the Africans..
    are the Africans learning or being usurped?

  2. Hi V,

    Of all the people you interview I think I like Harley the best. He’s very balanced and doesn’t get on this bashing the left wing and other generalities. In fact you really can’t label him as left or right which is really the reality. He unites the best of the left and right in his approach. In fact he’s not ideological at all. Just the facts, ma’am!

    However I don’t share your enthusiasm in what Trump may or may not do. I was an enthusiastic supporter of Trump during the election season mostly because of my repulsion of Hillary Clinton. Since the election however a sense of reality has overtaken me and has caused me to take a second look at Trump from a distance and how he fits in historically. It’s like being in the midst of a group of trees thinking you’re in a large forest but as you travel in the sky away from the trees you now realize that it’s only a small patch in a desert or urban city, take your pick.

    1. I detect in Rogue Money contributors a sense of wishful thinking and a sort of playing mental gymnastics regarding Trump’s appointments, especially one Mnuchin. To think you can drain the swamp with one of the premier swamp dwellers is beyond me. I think you guys are somewhat grabbing at straws here. Without getting into the specifics of who Mnuchin is I direct you to Michael Krieger of Libertyblitzkrieg ‘s interview at https://youtu.be/gxc5FpmBAzQ. To be fair, as Michael points out, if Clinton was the president-elect and picked Mnuchin the alternative media like Infowars and Breibart would be all over the internet on how horrible Hillary is in appointing a Goldman Sachs and George Soros veteran! But somehow Trump gets the pass from you guys.

    2. Trump’s plans for huge infrastructure spending also doesn’t pass the smell test. Believe me if any recent presidents would have done this it would have been a Democratic one who historically love make work projects. The fact that they haven’t done it speaks volumes. First of all it’s not completely certain that the infrastructure in the nation in general is in desperate need of this. Secondly make work jobs of this type are only a temporary shot of adrenaline, if at all. What do you do for an encore after the temporary projects are completed. Thirdly massive infrastructure projects have a mixed history, especially done by the federal government. There is so much corruption and favoritism in bidding that by the time the congressmen, state and local government bureaucrats get their hands in the cookie jar, very little is left for the ones that really need it, the workers. And most likely Trump will line his business cronies with the pick of the crop. Fourthly the national debt will skyrocket as much and maybe even more so than Obama. However my understanding pales in comparison with David Stockman. Here is his latest piece on the subject of infrastructure spending, https://dailyreckoning.com/trumponomics-will-collapse-mountain-debt/

    3. Regarding foreign policy we should see some improvement in relations with Russia but this may be offset with increasing tensions with China and Iran, two allies, may I add, of Russia. This shows that there’s an inherent built-in contradiction right off the bat in Michael Flynn’s principles. You can’t have better relations with Russia while you’re promoting regime change with both China and Iran. Here’s an illuminating piece by the great William Engdahl regarding this, http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO25Nov2016.php

    However I had an epiphany lately. I automatically said to myself that from now on I actually don’t really give a damn about any of this appointment stuff. It’s all really just noise. I am now fully convinced that what will become of the United States and western Europe is already baked in the cake. I think it was Mark Twain who said that history doesn’t repeat but it sure rhymes. What we are seeing is the fall of the US and western Europe with the rise of Russia, China and the East. I believe that Trump is our Gorbachev in that like Gorbachev 30 years ago Trump will preside over the downfall and possible collapse of the United States and its empire. It was bound to happen and if it wasn’t Trump it would have been someone else. Just like in 1989 when the Warsaw Bloc was cracking you now are seeing the rupture and crackup of both the EU and NATO. Are we that indispensable and arrogant that we can defy the laws of history. Our system of crony capitalism is so entrenched as is the fact that everything in this country is a racket, including medicine, banks, education, etc. that the system is un-reformable and Trump in trying to reform it may indeed cause the collapse that has to happen anyways. This is why I compare Trump to Gorbachev. We will have a lot more than a bump in the road and will make what happened in the Soviet Union seem like childs’ play. A great thinker on the topic of the system as un-reformable is Charles Hugh Smith of oftwominds.com. Also Dmitri Orlov of cluborlov.com, who has written extensively on comparing the inevitable collapse of the US with the collapse that happened in the Soviet Union, is worth reading.

    So in conclusion I sincerely hope that you guys don’t become blind Trump cheerleaders after it becomes apparent that he is not the white knight coming to save us. Let us not make the same mistake that the Obama zombies did in supporting him after it was obvious that he was just an imperial and Wall St. stooge.

    1. Hello Gary,

      See my comments about Trump in a previous thread. Just to make it clear to all, I’ve never been told what to write or not write concerning The Donald by anyone. And Deb @BanksterSlayer Caruthers expressed some doubts on the Friday show as to whether there isn’t another part of the New World Order using Trump for now against another faction — even if Mr. Trump himself is not fully on board. Neither was Ronald Reagan — that’s why Bush 41 and the NWO cabal tried to kill Reagan using the mentally ill black sheep son John Hinckley as the patsy.

      Where I disagree with ‘W the Intelligence Insider’ is that I don’t think, even for the purposes of recreating that (in)famous Cold War dialectic, either Trump or Putin would be so vilified by all global media, to an extent that would’ve put the Soviet propaganda machine to shame in terms of uniformity, if there were really nothing at stake but which NWO puppet appears on top. With that said, I also agree with you the cold civil war in D.C. between Trump, an increasingly desperate legacy press ala CNN facing oblivion in another decade and the CIA in particular, is getting out of hand.

      In the olden days there were Kissingers and Bzrezinskis or Bakers to come in and sort things out, like the trusted consiglieres of the Five Families meeting in The Godfather Part I if not II. But now we’re in the Godfather Part III and it’s a bunch of Joey ZaZas running around, behind of course are the real enemy.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJWUBO49Vds

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UneS2Uwc6xw

      There is still a chance you could be wrong regarding USA becoming USSA or Yugoslavia writ large. Trump after all has the benefit of advisers who know what happened to the USSR and how 1990s Russia was looted, whereas neither Gorby nor Yeltsin received such advice at the time.

      1. To be clear, I do NOT think Trump himself is a member of the NWO or the occult secret societies. I do think some people joining his Administration probably are.

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