Turkish Invasion: Turks Attack U.S.-Backed Syrian Kurds, Support ‘Moderate’ Jihadists as ISIS Melts Away

Moscow once played an indirect role in the arrest of Kurdish militant hero Abdullah Ocalan by the Turkish authorities after the Greeks gave him up, so in retrospect the Russians temporarily siding with their frenemies the Turks against their frenemies the Kurds this past week is not that surprising. Another part of the argument that advocates of Russo-Turkish reconciliation over the YPG’s dead bodies, including at Alexandr Dugin’s Katehon think tank, would be that the Kurds partially brought this on themselves. 

After the failed July coup against Erdogan and the appointment of a new U.S. commander responsible for Syria and Iraq this month, a Kurdish faction attacked the Syrian Arab Army and its militias (likely at Washington’s urging) in the town of Hasakah. While Hasakah is majority Kurdish it represents like much of Syria an ethnic patchwork, with Sunni Arabs and Assyrian Christians also living in the area. The land is indeed, as pro-Assad Twitter accounts argue, historically Assyrian, as is some of the territory ISIS controls around Mosul. How a Kurdistan or even a federated Rojava within Syria would be created that would respect the rights of such minorities who’ve sided with Assad in the face of Saudi-Qatari sponsored jihadist terror (including attempts to surround and starve Shi’a towns to death that the ‘Free Syrian Army’s’ apologists ignore) remains a serious issue. Especially if the YPG were bribed by their American sponsors into the ill-advised Hasakah mini-offensive before realizing, after Turkish F-16s started bombing them, that their American advisers had left them in the lurch.   

If the Kremlin is guilty of betraying Kurdish hopes, then Washington has thrown its clients under the bus in favor of keeping Turkey in NATO and preserving the U.S. base at Incirlik to a much worse degree. After all the YPG is supported by the U.S. Department of Defense to fight ISIS, while the CIA and Turkey support the ‘moderate’ jihadists attacking the YPG. Aware of this embarrassing contradiction, the State Department kindly asked the Turks to stop attacking the YPG on Monday after Vice President Joe Biden demanded last weekend that they withdraw from territory they had paid in blood to liberate from ISIS. To say that Syrian Kurds are pissed with Washington right now would be an understatement, but despite rumors and previous possible Russian arms shipments, the YPG have no other overt patron but the U.S.

 

While the Russia Analyst does not view the Kurds as angels, they are most definitely better and more humane than ISIS and the ‘moderate’ jihadists Turkey plans to replace ISIS with…or more accurately, to have ISIS change uniforms and occasionally shave of their beards to become with a convenient switcheroo. Judging by what happened in Jarablus, the bombing of around the town by Turkish F-16s with supposed US air support was largely for show, and no ISIS bodies were put on display for the cameras after journalists accompanied the ‘moderate’ (Salafist) rebels walking into the town unopposed. After The Daily Beast‘s resident Salafi-Trotskyite propagandist Michael D. Weiss boasted about the battlefield successes of Turkey’s ‘moderate rebel’ proxies, one wag on Twitter sarcastically tweeted that perhaps the Turks could teach the Iraqis a thing or two about having Daesh magically melt away when they attack. This is precisely what the Russia Analyst predicted would happen here at RogueMoney if the Turks sent their tanks and soldiers across the border — ISIS would only put up token resistance, while the real fight would be between the Turkish Army and the Kurds.

If and only if the Turks are foolish enough to attack the Syrian Arab Army, then Moscow can bomb them, and shoot down Ankara’s F-16s in a (pardon the pun) Turkey shoot that would give NATO’s Fighting Falcon jocks a nasty wake up call. As we’ve written before, the Russians are capable of inflicting horrendous losses on any Turkish invasion force using standoff weapons the Turks don’t have. They can also destroy much of Turkey’s Navy and Air Forces with massive missile barrages launched across the Black Sea after using their ‘off switch’ electronic warfare to blind Turkish radars across northern and southern Anatolia. But “let’s you and him fight” aka a Russo-Turkish war is precisely the nightmare Putin and his team worked so hard to avoid after last November’s pre-planned, allegedly U.S.-ordered shoot down of a SU-24 by the Turks.

Putin sacrificed considerable political capital and overrode his people’s centuries-old mistrust of the treacherous, Orthodox nations-oppressing Turk in order to bring Sultan Erdogan in from the cold in St. Petersburg. The Kremlin is not about to be dragged into a huge war neither side can actually win but both sides can lose to the benefit of outside parties (namely the U.S. and Israel). Contrary to certain popular #AltRight memes and the prophecies of Elder Paisios of Athos, Russia is not ready to liberate Constantinople for the Greeks, and the Turks for all their bravado understand invading Crimea is a non-starter when all their ships will get sunk within 48 hours by Russian missiles (even assuming the Greeks don’t make a move after much of Turkey’s navy and air force out of the way to take back parts of Cyprus illegally occupied by the Turkish Army since 1974).

So, if the Russo-Turkish war prophesied in the late 1980s and early Nineties by Elder Paisios the Athonite is NOT in the cards, then what is happening? Did the ‘Turd in the Hummus Bowl’ snooker Putin, as some ‘hooray patriots’ and ‘friends of Russia’ abroad are saying as well? Was the coup against Erdogan all an elaborate act, or simply as W the Intelligence Insider hinted to us a warning to the Sultan to stick with the Americans and not get too independent (especially with those quiet talks with China about the Bosporus important role in the New Silk Road)?

In this case, the Russia Analyst like his friend The Saker must admit to being perplexed. There are too many ‘wheels within wheels’ and ‘plans within plans’ turning for us to recognize just yet who is actually playing whom. The old expression is if you cash in to buy chips at the high roller poker table (ala the James Bond film Casino Royale) and you don’t know who is the mark, then you’re the mark for the card sharks. Erdogan did not look to us during the coup while dialing in to a TV studio on iPhone Facetime like a man in full control play-acting at being overthrown. The warnings from John Helmer, a former adviser to Greek Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou, about nothing Erdogan says regarding his “dear friend Vladimir” being sincere are well taken. It was Tsar Peter the Great the founder of St. Petersburg after all who said 300 plus years ago “Never trust a Turk”, an expression that revived in the Russian mind after Putin denounced the “stab in the back” ambush of the SU-24 and its pilot. 

In the medium term (read: after January 20, 2017 if President Hillary takes over), Putin has a serious problem on his hands if he is seeking to prevent the zone Turkey is carving out south of Jarablus from turning into a jihadi safe haven for use against Assad. But in the short term, the pressure has been on Washington to keep its NATO ally from killing too many of its Kurdish proxies — thereby exposing once again to anyone with a brain in the Mideast how worthless America’s word is. Putin wasn’t the one who promised the YPG Kurds aerial protection against bombing just a few days ago, that was the U.S. commander over Syria and Iraq, Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend. And it’s a lot easier to threaten to shoot down Assad’s jets trying to defend Syrian soldiers getting attacked by America’s Kurdish allies on the ground in Hasakah apparently, than to defend their ‘brothers’ in the SDF who are being shelled and bombed by Gen. Townsend’s NATO counterpart from Turkey!

Nonetheless, there are analysts that we respect on both sides of the debate over what Turkey will do next and how Russia will respond. Writing for the  pro-Turkish rapprochement Moscow think tank Katehon, Andrew Korybko believes Erdogan has received a green light from Damascus and Tehran to do the dirty work they won’t or can’t accomplish against the Kurds in northern Syria. The goal would be to prevent a fully federalized Syria, which would be an American euphemism for a Kurdish state in Rojava stretching almost from the Med to Iraqi Kurdistan and soon, carving out pieces of Iran and Turkey proper. Another goal would be to ‘moderate’ the FSA and defeat Daesh by essentially putting a lot of ‘ex’ ISIS on the Turkish payroll, in much the same way Moscow flipped many Chechens who were fighting against it in the late 1990s and early 2000s over to its side, and the U.S. bribed Anbar’s Sunnis to dial down their insurgency against the Americans during the so-called ‘Surge’ of 2006. That at least, is what Korbyko suggests is the end game here:

Apart from Damascus’ predictable proclamation about the violation of its sovereignty and Moscow’s stereotypical statement about expressing “deep concern” (the author couldn’t find any official statement from Tehran on the matter as of 20:00 MSK on 25 August, though that doesn’t mean one doesn’t exist), none of the three has done anything concrete to resist the Turkish military forces, with Syria refraining from asking its Russian and Iranian allies for help in repelling Erdogan’s Army and its FSA proxies. It also didn’t help any that reports immediately started circulating that the Saudis were offering financial assistance to the Kurds in exchange for the continuance of their fight against the SAA, which comes on the heels of Iran’s accusation just last month that the Saudi consulate in Erbil was providing support to the Kurdish terrorists fighting against Tehran.

If it wasn’t in the collective interests of Syria, Russia, and Iran to see the Turks wipe the YPG out from the northern border belt that they’ve been fiendishly building with American-“Israeli”-Saudi support over the past couple of years, then they all would have united in vocally condemning Ankara for what would then have amounted to a pro-US invasion of Syria and began preparing emergency contingency plans for militarily evicting the occupiers.

The same equipment that deterred a Turkish invasion for the past nine months since the downing of Russia’s anti-terrorist jet over Syria is still inside of the Arab Republic, proving that Moscow could very easily have put an immediate halt to Turkey’s territorial transgressions had they not been coordinated with Syria, Russia, and Iran in advance (no matter what each partner publicly says in order to ‘save-face’ among their domestic constituents). Iran could have announced that it was cancelling Erdogan’s planned trip to Tehran if it was really serious about voicing dissatisfaction with Turkey’s moves, just as President Putin could have said that he’d be delaying his upcoming visit to Antalya. Neither of Syria’s external protectors issued any statements whatsoever that could be interpreted as red lines and ultimatums, which further confirms that they don’t see Turkey’s latest moves as a threat, but instead as a prearranged opportunity that decisively works to Syria’s ultimate advantage.

The expulsion of Daesh from the Turkish border essentially amounts to Ankara cutting off all of its former material support to the group, and the proactive preventative measures in ensuring that the YPG doesn’t unite with its cross-Euphrates counterparts greatly obstructed Cerberus’ plan to construct a Kurdish Belt across the entirety of northern Syria. In exchange for the promotion of this multilaterally beneficial objective, the Resistance Bloc of Syria, Russia, and Iran seem to have accepted that their new Turkish partner will fill the void with its own FSA proxies. The reader should remember at this point that this group is accepted by all three countries as a “legitimate” and “moderate” force that is officially being negotiated with at the UN level, despite its grievous history of violence and long-standing ties with the US.

— http://katehon.com/article/turkey-syria-fsa-and-upcoming-quarrel-over-syrias-constitution

For his part, Moscow State University professor and U.S. Navy veteran Mark Sleboda dismisses this is as so much happy talk and spin. Writing for The Duran, London-based former barrister Alexander Mercouris gives us the Sloboda version of what’s happening, which is anything but friendly to Moscow’s objective of stabilizing (even a de facto partitioned aka federalized Ukraine and Donbass style) Syria:

Erdogan’s call to Putin looks like an attempt to assuage Russian anger, to reassure Moscow about Turkey’s intentions in Syria, and to keep the “process of normalisation” between Turkey and Russia on track. The terse Kremlin summary of the conversation suggests that Putin in response made Russian feelings and concerns perfectly clear, and that there was, in the diplomatic language of the past, “a full and frank exchange of views” ie. a row.

Why are the Russians so angry about the Jarablus operation?

Here I acknowledge my heavy debt to the geopolitical analyst Mark Sleboda who over the course of a detailed and very helpful discussion has corrected certain errors I have previously made about the Jarablus operation and has greatly enlarged my understanding of it.

In my two previous articles discussing the Jarablus operation I said that it looked to be targeted principally at the Kurds, whose militia, the YPG, has over the last year significantly expanded the area in north east Syria under its control. I also discounted the possibility that the Turkish seizure of Jarablus was intended to affect the course of the battle for Aleppo by providing supplies to the Jihadi fighters trying to break the siege there. In my latest article I said the following

“….. it is not obvious that the rebels actually need a “safe zone” in this area. They already have a corridor to send men and supplies to Aleppo through Idlib province, which they already control. Why add to the problems of setting up a “safe zone” much further away in north east Syria when the rebels already control territories so much closer to Aleppo?”
Mark Sleboda has explained to me that the principal corridor to supply the rebels in Syria has always been through the area of north east Syria around Jarablus. In his words

“Idlib is not an acceptable supply route from Turkey to forces in Aleppo province because the Turkish-Syrian border in Idlib is mountainous terrain – small and bad roads and then long routes all the way through Idlib past SAA held territory into Aleppo province. The Jarablus Corridor north of Aleppo is and has always been absolutely vital for the insurgency,. That’s why Turkey, Brookings, etc have always placed so much priority on a no fly zone there. Now its come to realisation.”
In other words the Turkish capture of Jarablus before it could be captured by the YPG was not primarily intended to prevent the linking together of two areas within Syria under Kurdish control – though that may have been a secondary factor – but was primarily intended to secure the main supply route (or “ratline”) Turkey uses to supply the Jihadi fighters attacking Aleppo.

— http://thesaker.is/erdogan-calls-putin-as-russia-seethes-at-turkeys-syrian-incursion/

Which side is right, and which side is wrong here? For the first time in many months, the Russia Analyst is truly in the dark on which way the situation is headed. Like other members of Team Rogue Money including @BanksterSlayer and the Guerrilla we saw a coup coming in Turkey like a stormcloud on the horizon (go back and read our post from August 7, 2015 if you doubt it). But our gut instinct tells us the U.S. is not quite ready to risk direct clashes with the Russians by enforcing a no fly zone over Turkish-occupied northern Syria.

Confused at ‘Free Syrian Army’ groups long supported by the U.S. AND Turkey supposedly condemning Turkey’s incursion into Syria? So are we! Unless of course you realize ‘FSA’ is merely a flag of convenience for any group that wishes to tell Moscow ‘don’t bomb us’

In the short term, the Turkish-Kurdish clashes offer Moscow opportunities to achieve some of what it wants in Syria. For example, rumors are rife that many jihadists tired of the Aleppo meatgrinder and getting heavily bombed by the Russian Air Force in a concentrated area of the city have dispersed towards Idlib and the Turkish operation. Perhaps getting a paycheck from the Turks for relatively easy combat with the U.S.-backed SDF/YPG Kurds followed by garrison duty is preferable to getting ambushed by Hezbollah or incinerated by Russian thermite bombs. This past week, several hundred jihadis recently made that rational choice, laying down their arms in the Damascus suburb of Daraya and accepting bus rides under flags of truce with their families to either government resettlement areas or jihadi held Idlib:

For all the talk of 72 virgins, some of the jihadis apparently want to live to fight Assad another day. This is the magnetic draw that Turkey’s incursion into Rojava is creating for the jihadists, reducing the seemingly endless pool of manpower Jaesh al-Fatah and other Turkish/Saudi/Qatari backed groups can hurl at the tired men of the SAA. At the same time, Kurdish attacks against Turkish troops are increasing on BOTH sides of the Turkey-Syria border. Should Turkish casualties increase and the SDF/YPG take out more of their tanks with a sudden infusion of anti-tank missiles the Kurds didn’t receive to liberate Manbij from ISIS earlier, then suspicions in Ankara and among Erdogan’s supporters will only increase that the U.S. is trying to bleed Turkey. As the character Simon Weisz (played by British actor Ian Holm) said to his rival in gun-running Yury Orlov in Lord of War, when Orlov inquired as to why he sold arms to the Iraqis and Iranians during their bloody 1980s war, “What makes you think I don’t want both sides to lose?” That fictional quote, by the way, is supposedly based on a real life remark Dr. Henry Kissinger made back in the 1980s about the same conflict.

The Empire of Chaos may be pursuing a strategy of scorched earth and Hobbesian war of all against all, seeking to bleed the Syrians, Iranians, Turks and Russians alike before the Syrian conflict burns out (or The Daily Beast and Allah snackbars forbid, Trump takes office vowing to mop up ISIS by marching to Raqqa alongside the Russians).

Jack Valentine: I don’t think you appreciate the seriousness of your situation.
Yuri Orlov: My family has disowned me. My wife and son have left me. My brother’s dead. Trust me, I fully appreciate the seriousness of my situation. And I promise you, I won’t spend a single second in a court room.
Jack Valentine: You’re delusional.
Yuri Orlov: I like you, Jack. Well, maybe not, but I understand you. Let me tell you what’s gonna happen. This way you can prepare yourself.
Jack Valentine: Okay…
Yuri Orlov: Soon there’s going to be a knock on that door and you will be called outside. In the hall there will be a man who out-ranks you. First he’ll compliment you on the fine job you’ve done – on you making the world a safer place. That you’re to receive a commendation or a promotion. And then he’s going to tell you that I am to be released. You’re going to protest. You’ll probably threaten to resign. But in the end, I *will* be released. The reason I’ll be released is the same reason you think I’ll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of those men
[pointing at newspaper articles]
Yuri Orlov: are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss, the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year, sometimes it’s embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can’t be seen supplying. So, *you* call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I’m a necessary evil.
[knock at the door]
Jack Valentine: I’d tell you to go to hell, but I think you’re already there.

— http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399295/quotes

If Andrew Korbyko is correct, then the Guerrilla’s ‘Turd in the Hummus Bowl’ has taken on the ‘freelancer’ role Yury Orlov spoke of in the movie. The ‘necessary evil’. Or at least the catalyst for the next round of either the first hints of peace, or escalating war in Syria. Because we doubt the Kurds are going to go away or retreat quietly without killing more Turks. For which side Erdogan is acting as the ‘icebreaker’ (to use the title of the discredited thesis of Soviet/Russian historian Viktor Suvorov about WWII) in Syria, if not his own outmatched neo-Ottoman Empire, will soon be evident.

Meanwhile, Putin is speaking softly but preparing a big stick in Russia’s Southern Military District facing southeastern Ukraine and the Black Sea region that includes Turkey:

Statements of the Russian Ministry of Defense:

Russian Defence Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu has declared the start of an unannounced combat readiness inspection of the Central, Southern and Western MD troops.

Upon the decision of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces, the troops of the Southern MD, separate formations and units of the Western and Central Military Districts, the Northern Fleet, the Aerospace Forces, the Airborne Troops are put on full combat readiness. Intensive preparations for the Caucasus-2016 strategic exercise are held in the Southern MD.

The Russian Defence Minister ordered to check within 24 hours the capability of troops to perform missions under full combat readiness within the inspection; to deploy formations and units at the assigned ranges and training areas, to prepare for training task performance; to estimate the readiness of the Southern MD to deploy self-sufficient groupings in order to localize crisis situations; to check troop buildup capabilities of Central and Western MDs in the south-west strategic direction; to carry out full procedure of preparation of the Armed Forces for protection of national interests in case of security treat. Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly also informed military attaches of the unannounced combat readiness inspection of the Russian Armed Forces. He stressed that the activities were conducted in strict compliance with the Vienna Document 2011.

Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov has informed foreign military attaches accredited in Moscow of the unannounced combat readiness inspection of the Russian Armed Forces which had started in the Central, Southern and Western Military Districts upon the decision of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin. According to the Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov, the military diplomats have received detailed information concerning the activities. He stressed that the activities were conducted in strict compliance with the Vienna Document 2011: “We have informed in good faith the OSCE member-states as well as China and Iran of the started unannounced inspection through the official channel,” said Anatoly Antonov. Answering questions about the time frame of the inspection, he mentioned that the activities would have been finished by August 31.

— http://thesaker.is/statements-of-the-russian-ministry-of-defense-on-a-major-readiness-exercise/

13 comments

  1. Just found this piece. This outfit is sometime right, sometimes not. They DO have ‘some’ sources.

    https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1911

    Claiming Russia will invade Ukraine in September. That does possibly make a kind of sense, as the Establishment will be preoccupied with elections and the Trump phenomena. Further, the Russians know that the West will attack them eventually anyway, so why not start this event at a time most awkward for the Globalists.

    Probably not lost on the Russians, was the chants of ‘NO MORE WAR’ when General Allen was speaking at the DNC. A substantial part of the Democratic base is fiercely anti-war, and with the present mood of the country, an engagement with Russia, prior to the elections would mortify that base, particularly as the controlled MSM would try to spin the conflict in it’s usual bullsh*t ways. Possibly could help Trump, perhaps a lot. The establishment might even try to hide the initial phases of the conflict, as they won’t be able to figure out how to best present it. Which in a sense, is already happening.

  2. Seems like a lightening fast dispatch of the Kiev regime, making the western proxy look very weak, and by extension NATO, would help Erdogan to ‘pick a side’. The guy only respects strength.

    I would bet a lot of European leaders would privately be relieved if the Russians stabilized the situation in the Ukraine, even if publicly they felt forced to condemn it.

    Western press will complain about Russian aggression vs Ukraine after the fact, but most people have already forgotten the propaganda about Crimea, since probably only 1 in 5 Americans could even find either of these places on a map.

    Of course, nothing may happen at all…

    1. Mark — I concur with W on this, do not expect Putin to make any aggressive moves before the election. Should Hillary get in, however, do not be surprised if Russia uses the lame duck interregnum to launch a more directly involved offensive in Syria against ISIS, calling Washington and Ankara’s bluff on marching to Raqqa. Putin will NOT attack the Ukrainian Army directly unless they launch a provocation significantly more grave and brazen than a few UAF intel infiltrators getting caught while trying to blow stuff up in Crimea. Hell Putin didn’t even allow the DNR/LNR to respond in tit for tat fashion to the assassination attempts on Motorola or Plotnisky by killing some Azov Battalion Nazi commander in his car in Mariupol.

      The Armies of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics have shown some (GRU ELINT aided) skill in taking out Ukrainian ammo dumps near the front lines with precise artillery barrages, and I have no doubt that they are itching to teach the UAF a lesson and vice versa, but the UAF high command and Porkyshenko correctly fear the Ukrainians would quickly suffer a humiliating beat down even without much support to the NAF from the ‘vacationers’ and Northern Wind RuArmy veterans/Wagner PMCs.

  3. This is a very complicated issue to say the least. While I really really respect Mark Sleboda and have always watched him with intense interest every time he appears on RT’s program Crosstalk and like his passion for justice, I think he sometimes fails to see the very large picture in Russia’s actions or non actions. He called for Russia to repatriate the Donbass republics of the Ukraine when the two provinces had referendums supporting re-uniting with Russia and condemned Russia in not doing this. Even though it’s really painful to see the Kiev Junta continuously killing innocent people in the Donbass, I’m certain that Russia took the correct action. In this I completely agree with Lada Ray who’s predictions about the imploding Kiev Junta have borne out. By the way Russia did not sit idly by but surreptitiously supported the Donbass with "unofficial" military help where no way will Kiev defeat the Novorussians. By Russia not incorporating the Donbass until now the Kiev Junta and their western backers are in deep trouble. Kiev can’t ever defeat the Novorussians and the west has to continuously bail out their stooges. The pressure is building on the Kiev nazis.
    Regarding Turkey’s actions I myself seesaw back and forth on this. However I’m now coming down on the side of the Katehon analyst. His analysis is extremely comprehensive without the emotional baggage that Mark Sleboda may have (again I really like Mark. He’s a great guy). Of course Erdogan is an untrustworthy lowlife and a backstabber. It’s just hard to believe that Erdogan has double crossed Putin again. Unless Erdogan is really a very stupid and extremely reckless man, he must know that the US is losing power and in contrast two very powerful neighbors such as Russia and Iran are getting more influential. He knows which way the pendulum is swinging. He has to live in the same neighborhood with these two nations. What would he gain by agreeing to be the US pawn where he would gain immensely for Turkey by integrating with the Eurasian project and the One Belt, One Road of China. I imagine he has to have some love for his people and he must know that tying himself to Washington will bring catastrophe to his nation.

    While I agree that Washington would love to weaken Russia, Iran, Syria and Turkey in seeing them bleed each other, Russia and Iran are just too smart and savvy to let this happen. If you just think about it Syria has two enemies of keeping their country united and sovereign, Turkey and the Kurds. If Turkey can be contained I think Russia and Syria can just step back and watch these two irreconcilable and probably never-to-be resolved forces bleed each other and weaken both of them.

    1. Gary,

      I concur that Russia realizes it cannot stop the Turks and Kurds from killing each other, and it isn’t exactly clear if Washington wants the fighting to stop. As only the good ole USA could step in as the ‘peacekeeper’ to separate the Kurds from the Turks, thereby adding another pretext to an American occupation of northern Syria which of course is totally illegal under international law. But they can always trot out Samantha Power and co to say they tried but the evil Rooskies who teamed up with bad dictator Erdogan (who still gets to stay in NATO) vetoed a UNSC resolution, therefore they have to act under NATO auspices without the UN as in 1999 Kosovo. However, given the mood of the electorate and the ‘Russians are hacking, the Russians are hacking EVERYTHING’ alarmism not having the desired effect on the vast apathetic Democratic base and not being believed by much of Trump’s base, I am not so sure that occupying N Syria to ‘save the Kurds from Erdogan’s aggression’ would be an easy sell.

      1. The US sending a military force to Northern Syria without UN permission would be the height of recklessness and stupidity. However I guess we should never underestimate the hubris of the neolibcons. Expect anything from them. While Hillary will go for this expect a President Trump to nix this idiocy. Could you imagine what Russia, Iran and Assad can do to the American force with continuous pinpricks of sabotage. It would be US troops in Beirut circa 1983 all over again.

        Regarding whether Russia or Iran have negotiated this Turkish invasion or not, the red line for Russia and Iran is Aleppo. Mark Sleboda on Crosstalk today really clarified this point. If the deal was that Turkey can do what it wants with the Kurds in a certain geographical area but must stop the flow of material and jihadis to Aleppo, then Russia and the resistance can accept this. However if Turkey uses its invasion to further help the jihadis in Aleppo then we know that either Erdogan did indeed double cross Putin again or there was no negotiation at all between Turkey and Russia and Turkey just unilaterally rolled the tanks in not caring what Russia thinks. If this is the case then there will be a direct confrontation between Russia and Turkey maybe soon. Of course time will tell. Russia is hell bent on Syria regaining Aleppo and they will not back down on this.

        1. Gary,

          It does look at this point like the Turks are mainly expanding their armored offensive along the border but not penetrating more than 20 km or so from it, to expand the fence along the Turkish border with northern Syria if they truly want to do so. The fighting between the Turkish Army and YPG has died down slightly, but the Turkish air strikes are still killing civilians by the dozens. It is hard to get accurate information out of N Syria about Turkish operations, the U.S. media has really tamped down and European/UK media are marginally better at reporting what’s going on beyond Turkish Army press releases and the occasional YPG spokesman statement.

          "Russia is hell bent on Syria regaining Aleppo and they will not back down on this." I agree, if they were not, then they wouldn’t have sent at least a company sized force of advisers if not more men to support the SAA in taking back the artillery college in the SW part of the city. If the jihadis want to pour more men and Toyota Hillux technicals into that kill box, this time around they will be met with far more accurate artillery fire blowing them to bits whenever they mass in more than small platoon sized strength. The downside of relying on suicide VBIEDs to breakthrough is that Russia now has drones that can use IR at night to see through buildings and verify where the jihadists are assembling for attack at dawn (since only a few of the jihadis have night vision gear) and then order up an air strike to blow that assembled unit and their VBIED to hell before it can strike.

          My guess is these were primary ELINT and artillery specialists who, in the absence of low and slow flying CAS due to the jihadi MANPAD threat, were there to coordinate fires triangulated on the most important jihadi points of the line (as well to detect the incoming shipments of TOW missiles and arrange for the RuAF to obliterate those). The Russian advisers help and relentless pounding by the RuAF has apparently paid off as the SAA are back in control of the artillery college territory the loss of which was an embarrassing setback but a survivable one. Jihadi casualties for that area alone are said to number a thousand in the last month killed, with an unknown number of wounded.

  4. James, I know Superstation95 isn’t totally reliable. They have ‘hit’ successfully on a few things, however I don’t take them on faith. The guy who runs that site often confuses his own speculation for fact, and that’s not uncommon on the internet. But he has been early and successful on a few calls. If this is disinfo, it would provide a narrative where the coming war was Russia’s fault. It still presupposes conflict.

    Now maybe all of this build up of Russian forces, widely reported, not just on Superstation, is just like a puffer-fish, designed as a warning to the West. Certainly possible, and that’s been the pattern so far..

    Just that the window for the West to cause a real conflict (which they do really want) is narrowing, particularly if Trump wins. Also, an economic collapse is underway, both the U.S. and Russia are more able to go to battle right now than they would a year from now, another window to contend with.

    So it’s, what are the Neocon’s options, and what is Putin’s perception of the Neocon options.

    All of those things are driving some sort of denouement, either near term conflict or de-escalation. But I think between now and early 2017, we will have passed some kind of fork in the road, one way or the other.

    I know there’s been some mention that the Pentagon told Ukraine to stop chasing ”Unicorns’, refering to a mythical Russian buildup.

    But the whole Westerrn media pretends there’s nothing going on along Russia’s perimeter, and publicly Russia downplays this also.. War is very unpopular right now, so I would expect the Western rhetoric to be ‘Russia is evil, but nothing is really happening, nothing to see here’. It’s the second part of this sentence I just don’t trust.

    Germany, and I’ve heard, Czechoslovakia, have in the last two weeks put out alerts telling their people to acquire 10 days worth of food, drinking water, and medical supplies. They cite ‘terrorism’, as the reason, but I doubt that, as we’ve been living with terrorism for over a decade now, so what’s changed?

    Also reports that Germany has been stocking up on Iodine tablets, recently. Need Google translate for this.

    http://npr.news.eulu.info/2016/08/10/bundesregierung-bereitet-sich-auf-notstand-vor-nrw-kauft-jodtabletten/

    Here in the U.S. there are visual reports of not merely large amounts of military equipment moving around, but now, in the last couple of weeks, there are troops manning these military vehicles seen on the highways. Looks like Iraq, but we’re not talking about the normal urban hotspots, it’s seen on the interstates.

    Putin has said he will not attend the general assembly of the U.N. next month, he’s sending Lavrov. Some tension there.

    I also have esoteric reasons for thinking ‘something’ happens in September. I’m not looking forward to this.

  5. Sibel Edmonds gave a very interesting interview on Newsbud a few weeks ago where she pointed out that prior to the "Arab Spring" Erdogan and Assad had had very good relations and that Turkey was in fact forced by Washington to go to war with Syria. She believes that the Turkey move away from the US/NATO is genuine. No-one including Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Russia wants a US/NATO controlled Kurdish state on their doorstep.

    boilingfrogspost.com/2016/08/19/turkeys-nato-exit-the-new-turkey-russia-alliance-a-turning-point-in-the-global-power-structure

  6. US backed Kurds?
    A year ago, American droppings for Kurds would be dropped in ISIS territory.
    I saw Russian sources expressing support for Kurds, especially off course the Kurdish Communists, from which Ocelan is still in jail.
    Russia also would fight with the Kurds in battling ISIS.

    But well, with this new Russia diplomacy since the Fetullah Gulen coup, although the Russian army would prove several times that Turkey would buy petroleum form ISIS months earlier. The Russians are the victim off treason, as well as the Kurds. That is how I see it. Traitors in government, it is what all countries seem to experience in our days. The puppets set up an act, while the real agenda is hardly mentioned by the press.

    1. Gus,

      The Kurds definitely look to have been thrown under the bus, but I’d look a tad closer at where the PKK is getting their arms now. They are killing about a half dozen Turkish soldiers or cops a week, and Turkish casualties in operations against the YPG/PYD in Syria are likely under-reported too. For now not yet serious but should the PKK suddenly get more MANPADs and anti-tank missiles watch out. My best guess as I hinted at in the piece was that the U.S. is trying to bleed the Turks back onto the NATO reservation if they are showing signs of dealcutting with Russia, though it would be a mistake to say that the Turks are fully in to the SCO club. They are still trying to play both sides Washington and Moscow off against each other while keeping their options open with Iran and China.

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